One wish for the next game

This is not official but I am sure that developers will read this so:
I hope all people who loved Pathfinder Kingmaker and wish for next game write here ONE easy thing to add for next game. That ONE thing they have been wanting for so long, what would make so HUGE impact for the game but it just is not there.

For me:

  • Option to pin down and write a text (in file what will open when you press that pin) in the map / make your PC journal.

So many times there have been a quest or a thing what I would love to get back later… …and had to either try to remember it in my own head or write it down using pen & paper. Even back in Neverwinter Nights RPG you had option (it was made just for simple PC_name.txt file) to write your own journal and make map pins and in these pins write your own text.

I am quite sure it will be super fast to make (if it is only for one .txt file per every PC you create, not for NPC unless you want to?) and quite fast to make appear in the game (add one button somewhere there where is “Journal” written on it). Pretty same with map, except option for multiple pins per area map. It should not add HUGE extra RAM use (I mean I have now 12-core CPU 3900X + 32Gb RAM) and it was possible for NWN so it can be done.

So anyone else have any hopes, dreams and wishes (that developers can crush while they make a next game, just kidding here and maybe checking if any of you read this :smiley: )

better high level loot distribution. everything was either set drops or a hurricane of repeated dissapointments (thanks artisans! my monk could really use another set of full plate!)

Well, it’s not exactly easy, but it could benefit the game a lot. Currently my motivation to play suffers due to the long loading times. Every time I see a loading screen for several seconds, the flow is broken and I consider doing something else. A long time ago, the action RPG Dungeon Siege made it totally without loading screens (which is not necessary, but extremely smooth to play). I think common tricks are:

  1. Preload content as soon as the player gets close to an area change. The disk usage hopefully won’t impact performance too much.

  2. Show the next area even if not all assets are loaded yet. Players can get used to sprites appearing with a few seconds delay. The action RPG Path of Exile uses this approach for a while now.

  3. Keep the previous area (UI element) in memory. There is a solid chance the player will go back to the previous section, especially for situations like throne room -> kingdom view -> throne room. Maybe you do that already, in this case nevermind.

I am astonished that 20 years after BG it is not possible to add custom map pins in PK. Other recommendations:

  1. No enforceable time limits, hidden or otherwise. Fine to have NPCs speak with a sense of urgency but just as Imoen’s fate remained the same in BG2 whether you took two weeks or ten years to reach Spellhold, quests should remain frozen in time if you as the player decide you’d rather do other things first.

  2. No “extra” game like kingdom management unless it is accompanied by an extremely clear and comprehensive how-to. This how-to needs to be present from the very beginning of alpha so it can be playtested alongside the “extra” game.

  3. Add a button/slider for passing time so when the player must wait half a year for an event, they are not forced to do it one day at a time.

  4. No quests where you must come on a certain day of the week for the quest to advance. Fine to use verbiage in quests like “you’ve come at just the right time” but you should never be temporarily blocked from a quest because it can only be done on a Tuesday.

  5. No world map locations that remain hidden unless you make a high enough perception roll. It is fine for treasure on a particular screen to remain hidden unless a perception check is passed, but it is needlessly cumbersome for the player to retrace his steps around the world map each time he levels up in the hope that one or two new locations will appear.

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Turn-based combat. Make it the default with an option for real-time with pause.

Modding tools.

Including the ability to edit/add dialogue, text, items, npcs and everything else.

I love BG not only because of the game itself, but also because of the vibrant modding community that adds a plethora of stuffs (added banter/interaction, npcs, quests, etx)
Modders adds a kick of fresh air and spices to an already existing game and that’s why I love them XD

Real Time with Pause. A TB option is ok but RTwP should remain the core game experience.

No reduction in party size.

I agree with kanisatha. I’d like next game to also use Real Time with Pause combat. And yes, please keep it 6 party members!

More class specific content.
Be it class strongholds like in BGII, build specific quests lines, or different ways for classes to react and handle situations. The playing experience of a fighter should be vastly different from a wizard

Also, +1 for staying true to RtwP.

I will go further in making my case for not following current trends and reducing party size. If you as the developer are putting in a lot of effort and resources creating a great many options for character building such as race, background, and of course most significantly class, then you want that party of six for players to be willing to try out and use those various options. A party of four is most always going to end up being the boring formula of fighter, cleric, rogue, wizard because most players (and especially casual players) will feel compelled to have those four “core” classes covered so they don’t get screwed by some game situation that requires the skills/abilities of one of those core classes.

Plus, if NPC companions are in the game, and given that you will always have at least some companions who are “sub-optimal” for combat but who may be very interesting companions from a story/lore pov, then the only way players will experience those companions is if you have “extra” party slots for them. In a party of six, I will happily take along with me a “weak” companion who is interesting and fun. In a party of four - no way.

Well said, kanisatha!

Pen and paper Dungeons & Dragons / Pathfinder has a recommended party size of 4 people for several reasons: It’s easier to get this amount of people together than a larger one, rooms and tables have only so much space, less people means more chances for spotlight for the individual player and combat rounds don’t take that many rounds.

Most of this doesn’t apply in computer games, so upgrading to 6 has several benefits and few drawbacks.

I would get rid of the alignment locks entirely and only have shifts in alignment(and maybe add a change for lawful good choices based on the paladin’s deity since, Shelyn for one forbids her followers from attacking on sight without just cause and Sarenrae favors attempting diplomacy and redemption. Maybe allow them more NG choices before an alignment shift since they are following their code a lot of the time with NG choices)

There are too many situations in Kingmaker that had choices that made sense for other alignments, but the choices were completely unavailable when they really should have been.

Such as;
-remaining neutral with the kobolds and mites(anyone really could simply not want to get involved with that)

-allowing the kobold kingdom(Game had it as only chaotic however Tartuk was willing to be a vassal and not cause trouble. And the other kobolds were largely fine too(the trolls were the main problem and many refused to stop eating people). It also feels extra punishing for Sarenrae followers(which can be paladins and playing as one that isn’t is very liekly NG like their deity) specifically to get blocked out from that, especially with the game’s plot tying intoTristian’s whole companion quest line and a lot of his dialogue about redemption and giving chances, having to be alive to change for the better.

-ordering the lawful Kesten to come with the player to the capital (regardless of your alignment, the player was the law, and chaotics can command others when in charge and they feel the choice will benefit their kingdom, they could have just make it a lawful choice and shift alignment(and this is ignoring us being unable to raise him too, it was railroading and felt cheap))

I would love to see one of the companions be from the barony/kingdom of Kingmaker!

If the timeline is moved forward (and if it’s Wrath of the Righteous, it does take place after Kingmaker), allow importing a completed saved game from PF:K. Based on some of the choices from your completed game, the companion would make reference back to the kingdom. If it was an evil run barony maybe they refer to deciding to pick up and leave to find better opportunities elsewhere, or maybe even fled! If it’s a good kingdom, maybe they are inspired by tales of the baron/king and decided to go adventuring. A default kingdom (Shrikewall, I believe?) with Hedwirg as the King would be used if there is no import.

I think a callback, and seeing the kingdom you created in the last game having a presence in the world of Golarion would be outstanding, even if it’s only in lines and references in a few dialogues.

My one wish for the next game will be an intelligent item companion!

I personally want to see:

mounts
no level scaling
no awful management system
six companion party
at least more prestige classes and just as much base classes and bit more kits!
More companions (more than 12)
less companion story and less obligatory companion stories - I want my bard even if I don’t complete her quest
less cha based build campaign

Since WotR is confirmed, I have to redo my list:

  • ability to side with demons and have demon princes as alternative to pickable deities on character creation
  • a choice to destroy the crusade from the inside and outside, respectively
  • more story content for non-good aligned players
  • Evil Companions to counter the various paladins of said AP

The side with evil thing seems unlikely… But the key art looks like it has a Hellknight on it?

I want to play NG Dhampir on the get go <3

Not really a fan of Hellknights myself, to be honest. Too law focused and “clean” for my taste. And their appearance in Kingmaker didn’t exactly put them in a better light for me either. Now, the chaotic side of evil looks far more interesting as a melting pot. Frankly the only reason why I would ever join the Crusade in the first place is to travel to the Worldwound, striking a pact with powerful demons. Abraxas for instance would be a nice choice for a Witch character.