Do you play pen-and-paper Pathfinder? Do you DM?

I think I should be ashamed to admit I really liked Mass Effect 2 (streamlined, shooter RPG lite game!)

You know, I’m often very selective about admitting what things I like. Usually I think it makes sense - people are quick to judge, and it’s pretty much impossible not to judge in some circumstances. If someone says “I like Minecraft”, it makes a vastly different impression than if they said “I like Baldur’s Gate II”. Even though they might like both at the same time!
But now, I’m starting to wonder whether it “muddles the waters” of the collective discourse too much. Maybe if people were less concerned about admitting such things, there would be less silly prejudices and stigma connected to a person’s tastes.

@k0tarsis, to your question, I personally feel cRPGs should be about improving on the pnp experience and not trying to be very faithful to the pnp experience. For me many aspects of pnp gaming are rather frustrating and tedious, having to take turns being a prime example. Furthermore, whereas pnp gaming by its very nature is about you gaming with a group of friends, cRPGs are about strictly playing by myself. I do not do group computer gaming, one, because as I’ve gotten older I no longer have a group with whom I can very regularly play as everyone has their own schedule and their own separate game preferences, and two, playing cRPGs is my retreat and sanctuary from the “real world” where I really don’t want to have to deal with other people. So a strictly single-player experience but in a party-based game is the perfect balance for me, and this is what I want a developer to perfect in my cRPGs.

As I mentioned previously, I never played PnP but I have some board gaming experience. For me, I played board games to socialise - i.e. who I play with was more important than what I play in this situation. Some games could be more fun than others but at the end of the day, if the group of people I play the game with are fun bunch, then I enjoyed the session.

cRPG is different. Like Kanisatha, I enjoy playing cRPG on my own - I don’t like conflicting with other players on combat strategy, choosing dialogue options, and deciding on party compositions etc.

I love being immersed into the engrossing story, engaging dialogues, beautiful world packed with interesting lore. I want to take all the time in the world to do that. Of course, it is important for PnP ruleset to be translated into cRPG properly too but I think I would place more emphasis on other factors I mentioned above.

You see, the “shame” bit comes in because it feels like me enjoying ME2 (or other streamed lined games) encourage developers to work on games like that only. While I really enjoyed ME2, it is not one of my favourites games - it was very fun the first time but I just could not replay it. It was just too… shallow.

What I really want is to see more games like Pathfinder: Kingmaker. I seriously haven’t had this much fun since early 2000s (BG2, NWN and IWD era). So, please Owlcat Games team, bring us more gems like Kingmaker!! :smiley:

I think that in computer games conflicts and that kind of mechanical stuff is kind of faster and easier to calculate (computer do it, so you do not need to). Example: even a huge large fight can be over soon if you do not do it like me and pause pretty much automatic in every turn and choose what everyone is doing. But even still it is kind of rare to have multiple hour battles, or even 30min.

Another big difference is: because fights are kind of “easy” to do in computer we usually get WAY more of them. But what most of us think when we talk from RPG, LARP and stuff like that we get bit (a lot) less. In P&P or LARP we might get one evening with plenty of talk, relationship, spying or even trying to pick some locks and creating a feast. Maybe we get one (1) fight during that all evening.

When we play computer RPG we most likely end up doing opposite. Fighting way more (specially for games like Icewind Dale and other “Diablo like” action roleplaying games) and actually talking with other party members and people around you way less. I can not remember computer RPG where anyone have spend let’s say 1-3 hour from they life just trying to hunt something or so. Even camping is usually something we do not see (that is HUGE thing so big thank you for making it at the game).

In computer games it just take too much time to write dialogue. Yes we do have Planescape Torment from 1999 what is kind of great exception. You are able to play RPG game without (atleast too much) fighting.

I never get to play PnP, because there is no one else near me that’s into crpg (or just rpg) though I’d love to try (just no one to play with XD kinda sad)

My fave games is BG, BG2, Neverwinter 1 and 2…

I have no PnP experience. I knew no one who was playing PnP.
My first experience with D&D was through BG, IWD and later NWN.
And my first experience with Pathfinder was actually through this game. A colleague from work recommended this game to me.

I started with BG2 and after several years (and other great computer games) I finally joined a Pathfinder PnP group. There is quite a difference between computer game and tabletop, but I find them to complement each other well: Computer games are (almost) always available and you don’t have to deal with the downsides of fellow players, tabletop allows way more freedom (unless the GM is restrictive) and interaction with fellow players can be fun.

A few years after becoming as a PnP player, I took the GM’s seat for a published adventure path: Giantslayer, which was the newest AP out there - it turned out to be mediocre though. I switched to a homebrew campaign, luckily kept most of the players and we are at the lofty heights of level 14 now. It’s a good ride so far, and I am looking forward to the next campaign already.

If you are curious about playing PnP, I recommend to simply give it a try. There are web pages to find a local group - if this doesn’t work out, you can still play online, via Roll20, forums etc… Chances are that the group is not the perfect fit - don’t hesitate to leave if things seriously become unfun. Don’t get discouraged, there are many different groups (and GMs) out there.

GMing is a different beast. If you are into creating things and don’t mind some work, there is a good chance you could make a fine GM. After playing several sessions (preferably with different GMs) it’s maybe worth a try to lead a single session for a few friends. Preparation will need many hours, you won’t get everything right - but first steps are never easy. And in my opinion, the unique rewards of GMing are worth the trouble: See how players have fun with your creations, make them sweat with your encounters, let them sympathize with or hate your NPCs and surprise them with turns and twists.

I prefer D&D 5e and the Forgotten Realms as well as the Chronicles of Darkness, although I do own Pathfinder novels. I might buy Shadowrun 6th Edition.

Been playing since 2nd edition, 3.0/3.5 than Pathfinder, played in Pathfinder Society, created my world back 2nd edition and upgraded to Pathfinder and been running it for the past 22 years.

Our old group created a shared world for AD&D 1st Edition in 1984. It got mothballed in 2004 when most of the members spread out geographically but I still have a hardbound sourcebook that we self-published for it 15 years ago that was updated for D&D 3.5.

Been playing and running Pathfinder 1e for about five years now. I’ve finished running Rise of the Runelords, Curse of the Crimson Throne and Iron Gods and am currently running Ruins of Azlant and Strange Aeons/Council of Thieves(not latter two at same time, but on same day, I didn’t want to run whole Council of Thieves in one go because its kinda of a mess :p) I was player in Reign of Winter until end and am currently playing in final book of kingmaker.

Started out with first edition Ad &d,I have been playing something ever since for the most part.I like niche systems like palladium,earthdawn,gamma world etc. For traditional fantasy though pathfinder is my favorite.For a long time I only ran shadowrun but around 3-4 edition it stopped being fun to run.After Cyberpunk 2077 comes out I may consider running it. I despise 2nd edition Pathfinder because like first edition Ad& d it hobbles multiclass characters for no good reason. Really looking forward to trying out starfinder though.

Yes and yes, been with the same group since the 80’s. When I noticed the WotR announcement, my main concern was that they were going with the 2e rules. That would’ve been a dealbreaker for me.

Interestingly, I have never GM’d or even finished a published module as a player.
But I have and do run Pathfinder tabletop games.

I have been playing RPGs since around 1978, and I’ve hit more games than even I can count. Not everything, but many, many games across every genre.
But I always come back to D&D/Pathfinder, preferably D&D3.5 and Pathfinder 1st edition.

Funny. A year-old topic, not very popular, but it has never died.

So, my first PnP experience was 33 years ago, in 1987, and I hated it. DnD 1st ed. I played a Paladin (because my DM said it was the closest to a knight and I had just read a book about king Arthur and the Round Table).
The year after, I player MERP and I loved it, bought the game myself, bought Rolemaster once my characters hit level 10 (MERP was limited to 10th level characters, and was a simplified version of Rolemaster). At that time, I played by myself, being both GM and the players. I created hundreds of characters with their history, and began imagining a world for them. I even begun a novel that was pretty bad.

In the following years, I bought Runequest, tried Stormbringer, played once in a homebrew system and world by some guy, tried Paranoia, ADnD 2nd, and a few others, sometimes as GM, sometimes as a player, created new classes for ADnD adapted from novels and games that I played. In '94, I settled with a group of friends and we played a game they had built themselves for some years, and also some Pendragon, Star Wars, the Black Eye, Shadowrun, Rifts and Palladium. I also unearthed my old homebrewed world and adapted it to different systems (Homebrew, Runequest, ADnD 2nd).
In 2000, we began playing D&D 3e, and we all loved it. So we mostly kept to it, began playing in the Forgotten Realms.
When DnD went on through the 4th and 5th editions, we did not follow because we did not like the changes. I also brought new players in to replace those that cannot play anymore, so in recent years, when we play in the FR, I have been the only GM, and I asked the players if they wanted to try Pathfinder. After one or two years, they accepted, so we’ve only been playing Pathfinder for about two years, with me as GM. However, we don’t play much, some have kids, others have a lot of work or other activities. At most, we play once a month. Sometimes, we cannot play for 6 months.

So, well, Pathfinder is still quite new to me, and I’m the only one really into it in my group.

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Well, Ive play PnP till 2003 roundabout. As a german i startet of course with Das Schwarze Auge 4.1 Edition (the Black Eye it is called in the non german area) and it was awesome. I loved the Worldsetting and the unique character development, cause it is way more personal and differs from hero to hero. Also I love that the development of the character happens not only after you earned enough XP to level up, but all the time, due the fact that the Abenteuerpunkte AP (the equivalent of XP) can be used all the time, so you have not the immerse breaking point that after you kill an opponent you just gained better in everything.
Therefore, till now Ive played a lot of RPGs, From Pathfinder to Shadowrun, to L5R, back to Earthdawn, DnD of the different versions, Dark Heresy, Dungeon Slayers, Panaoia, AfO and so on (Ive forgotten more PnP systems, then other have played I suggest ^^°). And every system Ive played had different great aspects, which have made a lot of fun.

Just a questions, cause I dont know a lot non german PnPler who played the Black Eye, how was it for you and which version did you play?

I did not play much, and only as a player, so I did not know there were many versions at the time. But after a quick search, we played the first edition. My GM was a fan from his childhood (it had been his first RPG, and he now plays that same edition with his children, he has all books that were translated into French from that edition). And he bought the 5th edition this year (oar was it last year ? Was it a Kickstarter ?).
As for me, I thought it was OK, but not great. It’s a great game for beginners, for many reasons, but at the time I played it, I had tried more complex games that I found more entertaining.

Edit : By the way, did you see the new video game ? The Dark Eye: Book of Heroes

Thanks for your answer! Ah, when it was the first edition, its clearly more an easy non complex game. This was the time when pnp comes to germany and a few thougt, well dnd looks good, can we do it too? So it was at this time more of a derivative than the game it would become later.
The version I was writing about was the update of the fourth edition, called 4.1 which really is different then the dnd game.
The fifth edition was a huge disapointment, but thats an other story.

Ah, nice, havent seen this new game an will look into it, thanks for the link!