Act 5 Deciding Daeran’s fate - suggestion for new choice
So I do enjoy the story and character relationships, and I also think that in some cases it is exceptional how much attention was given to detail, but the Daeran quest just irks me because of how unfulfilling it feels with the current choices and the endings tied to them, when there’s so much potential. Especially with the many different type of ability checks and the amount of different choices we have during earlier conversations - be it on the romance path or just friendship.
Bit of a summary of current choices and why they bother me (hidden so this doesn’t become that brutal of a wall of text 😂😅 and also spoilers).
- kill Daeran (nope nope nope )
- Kill Liotr and make Daeran even more evil - With the consequence this just feels like every earlier conversation choice with Daeran goes down the toilet (especially on the romance path), where the Commander might have tried to make him at least a slightly better man, even if just by showing that you can maneuver life and get results with compassion and kindness as well. Also being playfully sarcastic and teasing with him wouldn’t necessarily mean that you want a more evil version. Another thing why this doesn’t sit well with me is because you are forced to kill a guy who has helped you immensely to free Daeran… but compared to the other choices if you really want the guy free you must hop on the evil train.
- Tribunal - this can go very-very-very bad, like depression inducing bad, or back to square one with Liotr essentially taking the Other’s place. And every effort you put into freeing Daeran so he might have a chance for a better life where he can find a real friend or love in the Commander…. Yeah, into the trash it goes - considering the ending tied to this choice.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against having the current choices. There’s the argument that not everything can be fairytale happy, but again I for one really like to have the opportunity to reach endings varying from very ideal to very sad.
My idea would be to add another choice when deciding Daeran’s fate. It could be behind a medium or high persuasion check, where you can talk Liotr out of taking the case to the tribunal, and promise that you will keep an eye on Daeran - or something along those lines. That way you don’t have to kill anybody and Daeran could be free without spilling Liotr’s blood and corrupting an already evil guy even further in the process. Liotr might accept this out of respect for the Commander, and he could also state that you will be held responsible if anything goes wrong. Well sh*t, you’re already responsible for a lot of things, so might as well pile one more on.
With a new choice could come a new ending tied to it where Daeran might be more mature but instead of growing colder he could become more of a charismatic guy who still holds entertaining parties, and pokes nobles with his pranks, but his jokes are less cruel. Being truly free without anyone’s blood tainting this freedom could change his idea of happiness and he could rely more on his friends from the crusade - hence not lonely anymore even without the romance part.
Fit with already voice acted lines
As for how this would fit in with the already voice acted lines. Leaving the place Daeran could still say the similar things as when Liotr is killed, just without the remark from the Commander that they killed a man for his freedom. Also on the romance path when Daeran comes to talk in Drezen he could use the same line for the frightened and lonely question as when the tribunal choice is made.
I’m aware that there’s a secret ending that kind of mitigates this issue, since none of these choices matter at all going down that route, but what if some of us just would like to become a Countess/Lord with a freed but at least not more evil than he was before Daeran.
That’s about it for the important part, and now a couple ideas from random inspiration strikes while going through the romance path.
Conversation about the hidden note
I like the idea that after denying everything Daeran mentions the note during the Nexus date, what bothers me a bit is that there’s no answer on the Commander’s part when Daeran acts like giving you the key and the note is a coincidence. I’m thinking about something small for example:
1.[Smile] Either way, you have a beautiful handwriting. (Continue romance)
Step away while catch a glimpse of slight surprise on his face.
2.[Bluff] Well, into the trash it goes then. (Continue romance)
Smirk slightly while stepping away indicating that you weren’t serious, and you can see the understanding in his eyes.
3.[Tell the truth] Well, into the trash it goes then. (Terminate romance)
Stepping away you can glimpse a slightly hurt expression on his face.
After his denying monologue it would be just nice and funny to have a chance to call his bluff. Or terminate the romance right there if you had enough of the guy’s antics.
Marriage ending (if you go down that route)
I wouldn’t suggest to change the current ending text tied to the romance, but a new paragraph could be added tied to the marriage choice if the Commander agrees to the proposal.
I think it would be just fun to read about how they had a lavish wedding true to Daeran’s style with all their friends there and of course all the jealous nobles who wanted the Count for themselves.
After taking the game to the very end I just love to read all the stories of the companions. For example I really liked the one about Woljif, how he travels with Darean and how they appear in taverns together. I think it’s just heartwarming to have detailed endings for your companions reflecting the choices you made.
I’m aware that these suggestions might be niche, but already having these ideas I decided to write them down. Maybe someone at least will find them amusing if nothing else.